DBC: Communication Access For All?
Summary: Regarding DBC whether if they are providing communication access for all parents for education purposes.
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August 5th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Geo
Well done Video! You bring and raise a valid point and question. HOW do you expect Hearing parents to be taught about ASL among other options if that very communication is NOT accessible, ie subtitles or Captions in this case.
DBC can teach, promote all it wants, but without the accessibility it is going to, well, fall on deaf ears. Parents will ignore and move on as you said and check out other organizations and options that they believe would be better for their deaf baby.
Sad to see that comment was deleted, makes people think they in fact do NOT promote such a thing and I certainly hope this is not the case with DBC!
Hope to hear an explanation why DBC does not do this!
Alex
August 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
August 5th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I agreed with you, DBC has no brain but straw. They need to think and how to make it works and understand the law of hearing parents’rights. So they decided to shoot down hearing parents and take deaf baby! They are out of control organization. Ignored DBC or shape up DBC!
August 5th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Seek Geo,
I had seen your blogs in the past and never met you.
You got an excellent point about DBC organization. You are right that all new Hearing parents do not understand sign language videos under DBC internet. DBC should have known better to provide Closed Caption in no matter what. Currently, US Government are working on Closed Caption on Video requirements for any Internet services.
I noticed several people are still supporting DBC’s philosophy over ASL/ English Babies. They seems frustrated to communication with DBC organization. Why don’t you post “Comments for DBC organization” so many people will ask many questions in your blog or anybody blog? So we can see what they ask questions for DBC cores. DBC might respond the answers, forcefully. Who knows? So DBC cant control your blog or other blog. I am just suggestion.
Cheers
Charles B. Downing - The Rogue
August 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Good point, Seek Geo!
Sure, there are some things that DBC needs to improve with their goals and such like providing captions on their video clips like what you suggested. Also I would like to see them turning itself into a legal organization, too.
Yes, many are questioning their poor response especially with their DBC core leaders. Guess that we all have to wait a while bit and see how things prevail there.
Although we many are hoping for the DBC org to prevail much better than how they had been doing, and I fully support their ASL mission. Also DBC needs to prosper with their approach.
August 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Geo,
You got that right!!!!! It’s no brainer. Obviously the parents of deaf babies know nothing about ASL. How can they get information from the videos where the Deaf are trying to send the message across the hearing parents?
I wonder why is DBC quiet since the “rally” at Milwaukee? To this day, I still have no clue to what they really plan. I even vlogged to ask them to come out and tell us what plans they’re making for the future. Still nothing. Some people are suspicious that DBC is just front for “Deafhood Fountain”. If that’s the case, I’ll be disappointed in a big time.
My suggestion to you all, you keep pushing, pushing, pushing DBC until they come out and tell everyone what their plans are being set.
Misha :D
August 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
SG, Agree with you 150% about not able to access for hearing parents who have a deaf baby(s).
: Whatever they need to learn to ASL influence on baby’s vocabulary and pretty obviously missed the part is very important.
DBC need to improve their mistaken and need to put subtitles for hearing parents to learn their first ASL for their deaf kids after growing up from babies.
Umm, DBC need to put their Subtitle for hearing parents, too.. or new hard of hearing parents .. Whenever they need to taught.
I am worry about growth of cochlear implant getting boomer in 30-50 years from today, it will be mess up after that?
August 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Howdy.
I agree with you on what you said in the vlog. it’s quite unfortunate that the people at DBC put themselves into this awkward position. When they are calling for access, they are contradicting themselves at the same time by not providing subtitles. How can you ask for access when the people you are trying to reach don’t even understand ASL?
Kind of warped, isn’t it?
August 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Hey SG!
I was thinking about the same thing with the stories of peoples Oral Deaf School experiences. Sure, deaf can relate these to one another, but (if they were subtitled) they would be an incredibly valuable resource to a parent of a deaf child, in understanding the situation before hand, or what they child is/could be experiencing, whether they choose Oral or ASL or BiC or TC education!
August 5th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
August 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I’m thinking that DBC should recruit a few understanding hearing people, i.e., CODAs, sign language interpreters, teachers for the deaf, and they should work together to publicize ways to help a deaf baby acquire language.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
SeekGeo,
Did you notice the transcripts that come with the vlogs? Also, there are a lot of information on working with Deaf babies, and research resources, etc. Perhaps you missed that?
Shelley
August 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Geo,
You made a very good point. I love DBC and hope someone out there in DBC to provide it for hearing parents with Deaf babies. Maybe you can help explain to DBC webmaster on how to create subtitles in their video clips.
Thanks!
Ecnarb
(Brance Long)
August 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Shelley,
Nope, I haven’t missed out anything. There is one transcript I found but it doesn’t mean anything because there are several videos with no either subtitles or transcripts. You simply cannot say ok let’s provide one transcript but the rest of videos, we don’t need to. If they are all about promoting to get their messages across to all parents then they should be able to provide to access to all parents. Rather than to provide one or two so you can say, hey! At least I provide one transcript which means nothing.
Remember, if you want to get your messages sent to make a difference, you gotta provide to meet their needs every possible. For instance, youtube is very popular these days so it is a good way to get subtitles on to spread it out for all audience.
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Aidan
August 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Oh :dribble: You have seesmic video….
Oh well… Now I know.. :lol:
Smile!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
one year and still no captions.
I dont care how “young” DBC is. If they can make a great website, put together a convention of 700 attendees, open state chapters…
They can do captions. Please.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Hi Aidan!
Good to see you on here!
Unfortunately the link that leads me to this website for some reason, ha ha.. Can you give out the link again if possible?
Look forward to see your vid!
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I’m glad someone got the balls to bring that up. The organization implies they are for bilingual access to ASL and the spoken language but yet they are lacking in providing total and complete access for the parents. It would be a much powerful organization if they actually provided support for both. It would be more appealing and much more effective in the long run. Great job, Geo :)
August 5th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
My bad!!!
Here is my response
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
very excellent point. DBC needs to be highly accessible to hearing parents if they wish to achieve more bilingual babies. there is simply no excuse for highly visible companies and organizations not to caption important videos, given how simple it is. do they really need to preach ASL to Deaf parents??? :tire:
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Way to go!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Hi Aidan!
It’s always good to see you!
“A Helping Hand”, very interesting one you got there and you are absolutely right that not everyone can do everything but everyone can do about it. To be quiet honest, I did think about it once or twice a while ago which was why I decided to ask a couple of times about subtitles but I never got answers as well as someone had the comment down asking about it but it was deleted.
So, it made things more difficult to work with if nothing is going to be answered, ya know? I hope with this video, it is going to make the difference since we all are on same page to promote about ASL awareness.
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I looked again. I agree that one transcript isn’t enough. There should be one with each vlog.
I just saw Aidan Mack’s vlog making a suggestion for you to volunteer your subtitling skills for DBC. How about it?
Shel
August 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Shel
August 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I’ve never been to the site and from what you brought up, I don’t think I will go over there. Sure I’m learning ASL but I still get lost on it. The Subs help me out a great deal. For me its kind of like watching a french film in french without the english subs, I’m not gonna stick around for it, maybe for like 5 mins. but after that, I’m out of there lol.
I was suprised when you said that they deleted a post of someone asking about the subtitles, that’s interesting. It goes to show what they really are about. I hope things will change somewhere down the line when DBC decides to reach a wider audience by opening themselves up to subtitles. Who knows maybe one day I’ll mention the site to my sister and she’ll look it up and use the site to help her baby learn sign language (and besides, I’ll be teaching him too)
August 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
What a thought provoking vlog Geo,
Sadly the first people parents encounter when finding out they have a deaf baby are physicians and they are most likely to encourage cochlear implants and give out information from organizations they have been educated about (typically oral, AVT etc.). Groups like the DBC, if they want to reach hearing parents of deaf babies, need to start at the hospital level to give parents ALL the options out there. Because like Aaron said they don’t need to convince deaf parents of the merits of ASL. The trouble is there really needs to be education of the parents first, they need to learn ASL and they need to have positive deaf role models mentor them so that they don’t feel that surgery is the only option. Although it might be an option they choose learning ASL is never going to hurt their child, and then the child has not lost out on being a part of deaf culture. Just my thoughts….
August 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
What’s this stuff about DBC deleting comments from their site? They’ve never ALLOWED comments in the first place. So no way could they have deleted comments. Nice try.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Observer,
Actually, that was months ago and since I decided NOT to say the name of person’s blog and since the member is one of DBC’s so therefore I mentioned “DBC” when one of posts is about DBC so yes the comment was deleted. I clearly stated “one of DBC’s”, so nice try.
I could name and give link direct to it but I’m being nice and I get past it and now we are here to make a change for ASL community, period.
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Seekgeo..
You bring a very important Topic that concern you and i… I FELT THAT DBC SHOULD BE CONCERN ABOUT THIS!!!!
Good Job Seekgeo!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Funny about this dear observer
, this guy really holllleeeeeered a big time about giving English high pedestal when I was simply thinking about getting information out to people who do not know ASL. especially parents of Deaf babies and kids. What so gravely missed strategy… :confuse
What I have been doing is to give translated texts or at least a summary if it becomes too time consuming for me. I usually give translated text when I know they are of great essence.
Anne Marie, thanks Geo.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Great posting! It’s a good start!
August 5th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Amen! Amen! Your vlog brings up the point of how to communicate with the hearing parents of deaf babies, 90 to 95 percent of these babies are born to hearing parents. These parents are the decision-makers of their deaf child’s communication mode and hence, his life. Why are there no subtitles??? Why are the parents being treated like non-entities or enemies here?! Sheesh.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I might suggest that if anyone has a real talent for captioning or translating ASL to written text, they should contact DBC to offer their help just like Aidan recommended. I noticed on DBC’s website that they can be contacted at info@dbcusa.org. Seek Geo, did you use this email address to contact DBC when you offered to help?
I like your smiley faces..
August 5th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Hey Seek Geo….
I’m still here. Darn. First you went to Central America.
My gawd…they have their full of hearts and love unconditionally.
….and now this. You have promoted and market the subtitles to the hearing-impaired (I hate these two words due to the political correctness.)
and hearing community. And now to the hearing parents of deaf babies that DBC did not consider them to be a part of the advocacy program.
Subtitling is very important for the DBC to market and apprise to the hearing community. Many hearing people will google to obtain the information about the deaf/hearing babies to communicate and bond with their parents. Marketing is the key!
I googled it and it’s *not* enough. Not satisfied. DBC failed for not pulling many hearing people to learn from this……
August 5th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
great vlog!!!! I support your idea thank you for sharing
August 5th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Seek Geo,
I am curious.. Would the aid of an experience transcriber be necessary for vlogs so that hearing parents see fluency in English and ASL at the same time? I could see this getting expensive. Or do we simply explain to hearing parents about the the diverse writing skills of second language users? And then apply analogies to second language ASL users, such as hearing people, compared to their first language English skills.
The reason I ask is that unless a person has perfect ASL to English transcribing skills, the message could be mangled in the English captions. The opposite holds true too.
What to do??
August 5th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
So true. And it is especially important when you think about the frequently quoted statistic that 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Yes, I do agree w/you more than that 112%
Cannot afford losing the falling aparts DBC’s goal.. Need to make it so sooner before too late.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Hey Seek Geo
August 5th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Okay. Thanks for clarifying. But it was written in a very unclear way originally in the comments section. I’d strongly suggest wording it differently, such as explaining that a DBC member did blah blah on his/her personal site months ago. That would help make sure that it’s clear that you’re not talking about the official site and that this is not recent.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Their real target is the deaf people, not the hearing parents of deaf babies
August 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Hi observer,
When we say things in video, last thing we want is to go into details which then will extend the length of video which is why we have comment sections to clarify things and ask questions or else there’d be no comments if I give every details which then will be 20 minutes, he he. Just kidding.
No worries, you are right about that part, though. Thanks for the advice!
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Their real target is the deaf people, not the hearing parents of deaf babies. Remember over 700 DEAF people went to DBC meeting :boss:
August 5th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Brenda,
Where did you get the idea? If that’s true then DBC would be promoting only 5-10% of all deaf parents of deaf babies which left out of 90-95% of hearing parents with deaf babies?
Sorry, that doesn’t make any sense. Many of us are aware that they are targeting ANY parents of deaf babies regardless if you are hearing, deaf or hard of hearing.
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Hi Trisha!
That is very good question, I am not sure since I don’t know much how DBC works and whether if they get a lot of profits enough to be able to afford by hiring transcriber to do the work. If they can do that then it’d be great to send messages out to everyone!
But if they are not profit type of group then I’d assume it would be nice to have someone to jump in and volunteer to spend their time subtitling videos. Could be one way or other.. or maybe both, I don’t know.
Let’s wait and see what they have to say, I guess.
-SG
August 5th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Deafhood
It’s a bait and switch strategy. If you watch Barry’s vlogs, you’ll see the whole picture.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I cant see why DBC cant do subtitling really it does benefit to help all range of people deaf, hearing, hard of hearing, etc.
If they cant provide it they wont get a good response for the community.
As you will find hearing parents will look elsewhere. If they get something done or have some kind of sponsor to get someone to do the subtitling it doesnt hurt to ask !!!
Where is the common sense ??? Use it .. dont abuse it !!!!
Cheers
(_!_)
August 5th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
HI Brenda,
I haven’t seen it as far as I know but if you can see Barry’s video comment on DVTV that he did repeatedly tell them about “marketing.” If you want something to become success, you’d have to drawn in more audience to promote aware about ASL for all deaf babies.
If we are focusing only 5% of deaf parents then what is going to happen the rest of 95% of deaf babies from hearing parents?
I understand which is fantastic about 700 Deaf but where is hearing as well? If we can get messages access to all hearing then who knows many more will join so that will be a LOT more than 700.
-SG
August 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Iagree with them about it whoa wowowies also I agree with SEEK GEO too!!! Keep go way than give up!!!!!
August 6th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Geo, You brought up valid question and point of it all. What are they trying to aim at?? The world wide spread education for our future deaf generation with videos online. We want a better life for the deaf people. It is not always deaf born deaf. Quite often there is lots of deaf people do come from hearing folks that knows nothing about ASL or any form of visual signing. One of the foundation of it all is subtitling videos to educating and show the way what we know and feel are best options for deaf babies to small children to adulthood. Especially for parents who are scared/worried how can that child succeed in life. Google is one of the best tools.. We (older generation) can show options. Subtitling is one of the BEST things they can offer. Subtitling is one of kind of form for “BRIDGE” between their speaking world and our signing world. We have to build a bridge for them to cross over and us to cross over to them. We can’t live without one another. Educated them for our future deaf generations to come.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:26 am
The subtitling surely helps bridging to those hearing parents, but it may be better for them to add voices on their site, too. That even strengthens their bridge even more.
The DBC marketing approach obviously needs to be prospered considerably, too!
Hope that they listen our good points and advises, no good being ignorant to our suggestions and non-action of their part that long. Wonder as if they are TOO DEAF to listen us?
ha ha :lol:
August 6th, 2008 at 5:26 am
That dog food’s comment really spoke it LOUD.
One year of vlogings, Vlogings, and VLOGINGS.
And yet no subtitling????
August 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Seek Geo,
DBC have worked very hard getting this started and Im sure and assuming they are overwhelming with so many questions, promises and many more… Adding captions in video clips is probably on their “Things to do” list and dont have the opporunity to arrive to that particular list. Only way for it to happen is someone who knows how to add captions can volunteer, how about you Seek Geo, you did awesome job in adding captions in past?
You raise a good topic and is an eye peeling moment.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
At first I was really exciting for DBC to be held at Milwaukee then after that weekend and everything was so quiet. I still dont understand why.. wish Id know and we can help each other more.
Guess we have wait and see and be more patience.
I hope DBC is still alive since it is a must for deaf children and babies to learn ASL at the very early age.
Because of my bad experince.. my first language at age 2 was speech/lip read. That was awful to start to learn at very early age. My mind was blank but just mouth
time for change is now!!! got to do something now.. no more delay.
movement and watch thier lips. For God sake..
I worked very hard to learn English language at college.. it was real rough. I must be very lucky that Im able to read and write while many dont. That is sad.
IT IS TIME TO HELP PARENTS OF DEAF BABIES NOW!!! EDUCATE PARENTS of DEAF BABIES!
Suzy
August 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Hi..
Yeah, Good idea.. it need to have captioning in DBC,,
thank you for bring up the story..
karla64
August 6th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Tassielady,
Of course! your comment is example excellent why the hearing parent want to learn about deaf babies without CI. I hope DBC doing getting better & Very serious issues for deaf babies.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Here are some updates….
I received some interesting e-mails for instance one saying “But… there are a couple of videos that provided transcripts.”
I answered back stating that “a few” do not help. We have to provide for communication access for every video not “few” of videos. It’s like saying it is okay to provide captions on some of Grey’s Anatomy episodes but the rest of other episodes, no need to.
Other e-mail I received from a hard of hearing mother saying she is unable to understand or can hear an voice-over video in “parent section” because she is not enough hearing to hear it all so having subtitles is helpful especially for grandma (the mother’s mom) since she is losing her hearing as well.
-SG