People really need to keep clean--keep their signing clean.
Did you know that some people don't practice what they preach?....
Huh?... Signing Lang---- I mean "The Signing Community"—That's like taking the word "Deaf" out of the term "Deaf Community" and depriving Deaf people of being properly recognized.
If Deaf people get squeezed out of the equation, then what will happen is there won't be any sign language. It's true.
There's nothing wrong with the term "Deaf community," and it's very important that the Deaf community be recognized by using that term---Deaf people are at the apex of this phenomenon. Sign Language comes from them, and what they create trickles down to others for other people's benefit, too.
CODA's, interpreters and other kinds of hearing people are welcome to participate in the Deaf community--See, there's no shame in using "the Deaf word."
Amy, please come clean!
Oh!....You saw my bra. Stop that! Don't go down that road... It needs to be washed...Excuse me.... You know, bras need gentle handling when they are being cleaned, and they should not be allowed to get all mangled and twisted by the washing machine's agitator.
Amy Cohen Efron, please tell your viewers that you are opposed to the idea of cochlear implants. Are you? I'm perplexed. In your vlog ("The Greatest Irony"), you treat the subject of cochlear implants as if they are a viable option. Which is it?
So please come clean and tell the viewers the truth, that you are opposed to the idea of cochlear implants.
Remember what you told me during our breakfast meeting? You know, at Deaf Hope, just before the big celebratory party? We sat down together and we were talking about Deaf Read and the pro-CI blogs. Do you remember we were talking about the long list of pro-CI blogs that had appeared on Deaf Read?
Do you remember what your first reaction was when this topic was brought up? You reacted quite negatively about the existence of all those pro-CI blogs on Deaf Read. I was taken aback when you reacted that way (since I remembered how you treated the subject on your "Greatest Irony" vlog). I wanted to hold back my own view and get your perspective on the issue. Remember how you kept saying how you didn't like the fact that so many babies and children are being implanted? Do you remember?
Please come clean, Amy!
Honestly, I'm really sick of people who put on a false front to the world, promoting something in a positive way, when actually, behind the scenes, that same person is saying: "I do not support the idea of cochlear implants!"---While you're fooling people by putting on a fake smile.
You did, Amy. Do you remember? It was at the Deaf Hope gathering that night. It was "Women's Night" and we were having big discussions and you asked me what was the one topic I was just dying to address in a vlog, but didn't feel able to do. Do you remember?
Do you remember that I told you? I said, "I'm dying to make a vlog on the topic of YOU and how you need to be honest with your viewers." Do you remember that? Do you remember how you laughed in reaction to what I said. Do you remember?
Now you are becoming increasingly obfuscatory and vague with your vlogs and are engaging in obvious pandering to your viewers who are naively swallowing everything you say. And meanwhile, as I'm watching this I'm becoming more and more outraged at what you are doing.
And now you are leading your viewers to believe that you think cochlear implants are a viable option and that you support either way (either having a child implanted and being subjected to Auditory-Verbal Therapy, or: not having the child implanted and using sign language with the child)?
No, it's not true. That's NOT what you think. Please tell the truth, that you are opposed to the idea of cochlear implants. Tell this to the community and all the Deaf Read viewers.
You said that you are opposed to the idea of cochlear implants and explained that you chose not do anything about it since you think it would be a losing battle if you fought against the cochlear implant industry and related programs.
Integrity everybody, integrity! Let's keep our messages clean!
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I think I'm pretty clean.
Unless you're going to wash your underwear then...I have a secret, Aidan.
LOL!
-Ben
Great! I join with you in washing to get people come out clean with their hypocrisy.
I find it to be hypocrite of some people demanding DBC for transparency while they are not themselves.
Applaud!!!!..Beautiful. I love the way you being so straightforward and blunt message.
I am totally sick to read some people'S MESSAGE as manipulated their stories about CI and other stuffs. IT is TIME for some people to come forward and BEING themselves instead pretend or two faced person.
I know no one is being perfect.
Like you said we need UNITED Deaf Community!
ASL comes from LSF which was originally constructed by a hearing man the famous Abbe de l'Epee. However deaf people have adopted this sign system and refined this into the beautiful language it is today but it does not grant us to forget the roots. Without him deaf education in France would be delayed another century or two as in other European countries dragging out the suffering of deaf people over there. Now on to CIs.
I have strong feelings against CI but we have to accept that CIs are here to stay the question we have to ask ourselves is whether to fight CI programs OR take them in under our wings and thus teach CI kids ASL. Fighting CI programs only antagonises parents, medics etc and in their minds portrays ASL as an isolationist stance and one that they do not want their kids to grow up and adopt(!) To work with them shows maturity and our arguments about early adoption of ASL should make sense to most parents.
A difficult area, yes, but we should no longer bury our heads in sand and think we could persuade people to drop CI programs.
Come clean everybody. The rule applies to everybody. Now is the time to embrace everybody and come clean. Remember integrity. Remember to walk the talk. The popularity contest has to go because it negates integrity.
And remember, linear approach will always ganerate linear responses. Therefore, focus from within and build a sound foundation and work your way out and be level with everybody.
Dr Hocokan,
Are you *really* one to talk about linear responses??? I've been reading your comments and vlogs and yikes! You're a frigging hypocrite!
Now, I know your response to me will be something along the lines of an infantilizing "Now dear dear child... " That makes me cringe further from anything you say.
Religious/spiritualist hypocrisy.
Really!
Barry, the hocokan, please... it's not like you have integrity! Come on, going around out of blue for last couple of weeks smearing people's reputation certainly doesn't fit with the definition of integrity!
You come out clean, too and tell your true hidden agenda for doing all that. If you tell me it's integrity, I'm going to put you into Aidan's washing container.
Barry...you have no integrity... You need to go back to the hole you came from.
P.S. Don't call us Dear Brothers and Sisters too. You are not my brother.
Integrity, FORTHRIGHTNESS, Cooperation.
United Deaf Community!
Come clean yourself dr hocokan... You have displayed the worst kind of integrity a person could display by posting private AIM conversations...
Hey what is your standpoint on CIs? What is your standpoint on Deaf Identity and Culture (oh gosh I'll just say it....Deafhood). Come on come clean.
What is your point in smearing other people? What is your purpose. Is this linear or circular? Blah Blah Blah....
Great - I am sure that most of us get it.
Now, we, together, go and help/support Deaf children by support DBC to empower us people in helping hearing parents of Deaf children!
If you had seen what EACH presenter signed to us about their experience, you will not be here smash on leaders or other people. For example, Dr. Patrick Boudreault has signed to us audience. We were stunned and applauded on his courage and fights for those little ones. His experience has never left me. Bless his humanity.
Support Bilingualism - ASL and English!
Be selfishLESS!
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Pretty straightforward vlog, A; however; people are allowed to change their mind when the learn new things, no?
DT
barry, come forward and be barry. you are no dr. hocokan.
before the dbc conf., i heard some good stuff about you from a mutual friend of ours. i held a high regard for you.
but you've stooped to a very low level and you are not helping yourself. you have damaged your credibility.
i invite you to keep your word. you said in your website that you would remove the post if anybody asked you. here is my request. remove your post and website n o w.
I would like to say that there was a time in my life when I was completely opposed to CI, but upon learning more information, it has led me to change my mind and be nuetral about it.
Is this to say that yoou have never changed your mind upon learning new information? Its possible that Amy may have.
Another thing that I see in these comments is people going after DR Hocokan for releasing the AIM information. He has explained that everyone in that meeting knew that it would be recorded.
He gave them a chance to come clean and what did they do? absolutely nothing except to call his bluff, so what did DR Hokocan do, exactly what he said he would do if he didnt come clean.
What many people do not realize is that IMs are actually public property and not necessarily private property. I bullshit you not, if you work for a large corporation, rest assured that all your IMs you do at work are being recorded by the Information Technology Department. This was exactly why I had a totally different screenname when I am at work and I never used it for personal purposes.
People have been fired for using IMs too much, they tried to claim it as "private property" and they lost. Look at Enron, how do you think the information about strippers, etc, got out in public? A lot of that was from IMs that were recorded by the IT department and it was subpoenated by the courts and then it became public.
I realize that its in the workplace while these people at DBC did it from the home, but the fact is that they were actually discussing business, it was not a personal conversation, but a business conversation relating to DBC.
"What many people do not realize is that IMs are actually public property and not necessarily private property."
Huh? You are a complete idiot. If you're talking about businesses or organizations, then the intellectual property rights belong TO THE BUSINESS, or TO THE ORGANIZATION.
NOT TO THE PUBLIC! Those conversions are NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY!
That's correct. If one does not stand for anything one does not stand for anything at all. Therefore I choose to stand for integrity. What you choose to stand for is your business. Fortunately for me I think for myself and I represent myself.
The Greatest Irony video was published before July 31, 2007. Amy and I met on September 28, 2007 for a breakfast meeting.
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Nope, I will not change my mind about CIs. I will not support the idea of cochlear implants due to the nature of how the children are operated on, surgically. I would only support an operation for a baby or child in situations where the operation is necessary to save the child's life. Being Deaf is not a life-threatening thing. I have no problem with hearing aids being used, as long the babies and children are not undergoing surgery that involves high risk. :o)
Excellent vlog! thank you so much for your honest with us. It means alot to me but unfortunately, Amy's vlogs are dishonest. she needs to stop being two face lady.
Message for Amy:
SHAME ON YOU! Tell us the truth. BE YOURSELF instead of being someone else. I am not proud of Amy anymore after I learned it from you.
AMY TELL US THE TRUTH. DO IT NOW. We all are waiting for your response. The clock is ticking. hurry up
Bravo !!! your performance is so creative and awesome. One thing I did not know - you would rather like to wash your black bras by hands so your bras keep soft. Are you teasing me???
To Anonymous
"ASL comes from LSF which was originally constructed by a hearing man the famous Abbe de l'Epee. However deaf people have adopted this sign system and refined this into the beautiful language it is today but it does not grant us to forget the roots"
The fact is not correct. LSF was created by the Deaf Parisians, not Abbe de Epee. Abbe de Epee did not believe that LSF was not language, so he constructed LSF into the methodological signs that match the French grammar. It is the same concept with the Signed Exact English (SEE).
In 1770's, Pierre Desloges, Deaf Parisian, complained that Abbe de Eppe should not be credited as the father of LSF and the credit should be belonged to the 1750's Parisian Deaf community before in 1755, Abbe de Eppe founded the first free Deaf school in the world.
Personnally, I accept Abbe de Eppe as the father of French Deaf Education, not the father of LSF.
I must agree that the phrase "signing community" has a very strange implication. I would simply distance myself to any suggestion or authority for this type of community. I'd fight for ASL, the language and culture that generate our community.
Adain Mack, you have a very good example and pls do kindly go view on my video comment on your vlog at DVTV (copied and pasted) link: http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/14349/
Are you done with the laundry??? LOL
Love your vlog! I don't trust Amy anymore. She acts like she is being constructive with her comments, but I think she is being destructive hurting the Deaf community. The signing community or ASL community? No! We need to keep DEAF community. The Deaf community can welcome hearing people who sign, but it is still Deaf people's COMMUNITY. Don't give our community away to hearing people! We have enough of hearing people who sign, but would speak without signing in front of Deaf people. Hypocrites! JD
Yes!!! would we want the Black community to change to the human being community? No!!! It is important to recognize Black people and if White people want to be part of the Black people, it is STILL the Black community.
CHAMP VLOG! ENOUGH AMY COHEN EFRON!!!!! Get lost!!!
ENOUGH BARRY SEWELL. SICKO!!
Well said Adian!
I know Amy Cohen Enfron who she used to live in Vancouver, WA. She became involved with two organizations for a short while and then quit because she wanted to run the organization in her way instead of cooperating with the committee members.
I asked several people who went to the DBC conference why Amy didn't attend the conference. They said that Amy was pissed off at DBC because of something to do with the "The Greatest Irony" video sales agreement. She came to NAD because she get paid by Viable to do the vlogs.
I don't understand why Amy wanted to sell that video when it should be free and an educational opportunity for parents and others. Who want to pay lot of money for a short video? How will we get the message to the parent when greed comes in the picture?
That says it all about Amy including your vlog. Amy need to look at the community as a whole instead of looking at her best interest.
I read some of people’s comments which seem “sort of” more forthrightness so far.
I am not forcing or changing your mind. It is ENTIRE up to your choices as I respect your choice. I am just expressed what I believe in Cochlear Implant as I only support CI for 13 years old deaf children. Why I chose 13 years old children instead of babies. Any parents need to explain your child about pros and cons on Cochlear Implant and give them choices if they want it or not. CI does NOT have TRIAL PEROID at all. If the child changed their mind as they feel CI doesn’t work or gives them headaches. What are you doing with “Nonfunctioning CI children”? Just ditch them to Deaf institute as Default CI Child or what?
I am kind of doesn’t like the idea of putting CI on babies. It is TOO RISKY. Babies are very fragile. One mistake then screwed up the baby’s health easily. Some of parents are not lucky if their child can’t hear at all with CI. It will shatter Parent’s HIGH EXPECTATION. I do understand CI is very important for the babies because their brain is made of sponge and can pick up the sounds like hearing people. REMEMBER, babies are human being,, not experimented monkey. I don’t mean to be so blunt. I have two CODA boys on my own. I love them to death in no matter what conditions they are in.
I do not want to name any person from this blog. I have hard time to trust these people because they acted like “Benedict Arnold” clones. I do not like “flip and flop” about certain things.
This is NOT “Signing” community. This UNITED DEAF COMMUNITY for everyone. I do not care about “DEAFHHOOD” or not. I always said repeating my statement as you are simply D E A F like us. I do not care what language you are speaking such as SEE. CUED, ORAL, ASL, w/ CI or without CI.
I put my hat off on Aiden Mack since she is very COURAGE and STRONGHEAD woman as STRAIGHTFORWARD and BLUNT. She doesn’t take anymore BS!!!!!
Aidan -
Nice vlog.
My feelings about CI: I don't want it for myself, but it's not my right to tell other people what they want.
About kids: I think kids need to be educated before they are allowed to choose. I don't feel parents should be allowed to choose for the kids. The argument CI companies use is that if they are given to young babies, the babies will learn more, but I don't see how they can back that assertion up with the research they have.
Aidan,
I am little lost what you refer to Amy Cohen Efron's vlogs. Which Amy's vlogs you are talking about?
I hardly have time to check out the DeafRead during weekends.
I have to see Amy's vlogs first before making any further replies.
I made no secrets about my personal opposition to the existence of cochlear implants on my blog postings.
People sometimes have to play "smart" than being totally forthright which will not take hirself anywhere. You and others know what I meant. I did learn my own lessons for being too blunt and honest. That doesn't work at all.
I guess that is time to remove the rating system (numbers of hits) on the DeafRead. So the vloggers and bloggers don't have to worry about the numbers of hits at all to get more ratings (hits).
I am with you all the way about the necessity of true definition of our given community than using euphesiums or pretenses.
We perhaps do not know what is really going on with Amy Cohen Efron and Viable, Inc's contractual agreement what she could not possibly being herself 100 percent. Let's find out what Amy have to say.
I always put my underwears on the laundry line (metaphor) for people to know my postitons.
I must admit that I did play "coy" from time to time to extract sensitive information from people by acting neutral or objective.
That's what I done with Judith Harrison of AGBell about the inner workings of AGBell. She did feed me some misinformation anyway from time to time. I pretended to act horrible about the deaf militancy on the DeafRead with Judith Harrison and let her put down her guards. I already see her true colors what she done with my deaf friend, who could speak fluently in few languages. Judith Harrison said "I am really very impressed with your friend", because of his ability to speak intelligently.
I guess that is in our nature as human beings sometimes play card games in cunning and shrewd ways to fool the opponent(s).
I am not defending Amy Cohen Efron in any way. Just let Amy do her battles to see what she have to say. :)
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
Aidan,
You STRAIGHT TALK! Thank you!!!! All Deaf community must view this video and LEARN how to be HONEST and TRUSTWORTHY!
Your #1 fan.
FYI, Dr. Paddy Ladd coined the term "Sign Language People" (SLP) in his 2007/2008 publications about research within the Sign Language Communities. In his articles, he argues that SLP's are more representative of the community because deaf communities are varied - some are oral, some are completely immersed in hearing world, some use sign language (in fact a small percentage of 25 million Americans with hearing loss, actually uses ASL). So, that's why Dr. Ladd suggests a better terminology to specifically define us - people who use sign language.
Amy, I understand you hid where ur truth is. Aidan and u already agreed about disliking CI. Aidan is willing to issue against CI on her v/blog, you notice a icon of marking on CI surgery on the right side of her vlog. That show the public...nothing wrong. Well, you are smart by covering your hiden truth to the public. If you want to be neutral or middle of the CI and anti-CI/pro-Deaf. If you won't tell, so I respect you. Then it is your business.
Most of the people do lying to the public even they still have lies in their heart. Like U.S. presidents do that.
Yeah, In the past when I viewed Amy's vlog and made her statement about supportive DBC until what I've learned it few days ago. What happened to her changed and want "both" Stunned surprised.. how am I felt raised my concern about her being not "honestly straightenforward first place" afterall, what happened to her changed quick?
*Break my heart*
I'm glad, you brought it up "Come and clean signing Community".
She's caused them everyone Deaf Community were used to be looked up on her but anymore.. She is not the one moral supportive as well.
I do not approve what she did throw mixing signal ironic messages.
Raychelle,
"Sign Language People" is referring to Deaf people as visual beings who use a visual language. That's not the same thing as what Aidan is criticizing in her vlog.
Raychelle,
THEN what is all fuss about accusing DBC with picking up the Deafhood concept???? Ben Vess, Barry Sewell, Anne Marie Baer, Amy Cohen Efron, White Ghost, and others are CRY BABIES!! They are jealous of DBC and accuse them!! And now Amy suggested Signing Community which is already coined by Dr Paddy Ladd. This is one greatest irony!!
DBC is good thing. Deafhood is good thing. Those jealous people need to stay away and do their own laundry. If they are so concerned, they can just start their own organization and SIMPLY leave them alone. I have noticed that people are leaving your organization, ASL-CI Community - why cant DBC be left alone?? Another irony!
We need peace than againist each other we can share opinion dont say people's name about them. it not good idea.. think twice before you speak! peace!!
As a deaf professional, I remain anonymous; however, I want to tell you that I always admire your vlogs and the way you offer your viewpoint and commentary. You're intelligent and often darn right. I almost never found anything I disagree with you.
Integrity, consistency, and no flip-flops are what vloggers and bloggers should bound with.
Keep the great work, Aidan.
Anon
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