It is the middle of the night and I am so shocked at what I see, that I just have to blog this before going to bed. I checked Deafread.com, and saw that at the top, as of 1:00 am, was a submitted link by DR Hocokan. That link was to a transcript on the DBC Facts website, of an actual AIM meeting by the DBC core group.
Update (Sunday night): the AIM transcript was removed sometime on Sunday.
My objection is not to what was said in that meeting! It is to the fact that no effort whatsoever was made to edit that transcript to at least substitute fake or real first names for the screen names! The actual screen names and e-mail addresses were published!
I have published transcripts before of AIM conversations on my blog(s), but I always put in a fake screen name or some other type of substitution, to protect peoples' privacy. Whomever posted this transcript did not give a single thought to the privacy of the people who participated in that AIM meeting.
Now the participants will have to scramble to change their screen names and e-mail addresses.
Saturday, July 12, 2008
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I did not see where the email addresses were exposed, as for the screennames. I am sure that in normal circumstances, DR would have changed the screennames, but this isnt a normal circumstance and he gave them the opportunity to come clean and they didn't nso now they have the face the consequences.
Thank you, Jamie. That upset me greatly too. I was amazed at the utter lack of regard for their privacy too.
Remember we live in a free country. they can do whatever they want to.
lassoBC - Barry
onthego321 - Tami
ellajudy - Ella
davideberwein - David
barbdigi - Barb
bassegbert - John
These people are beyond idiot!!!!
Berke,
Where have you been? This is Deafdom. Get on with it!
=)
It does not mean anything. It was formed in the website, "Seework" that you cannot enter. It was a small group. You can't enter the login unless you are working for the DBC or others, for instance.
It's easy for you to know anyone who enters the seework.
It's like a meeting room. Therefore, you need to know people you are working with.
Hope you understand this.
White Ghost
White Ghost
It's http://deafhood.seework.com
Go over there, you will understand better.
White Ghost
I suppose the message is, be careful what you say, anything you do say, may well be used against you !
WEll, Berke, they're all public figures, they'll deal with it.
What I am appalled is that they had the gall to deceive the entire daef community and not felt a shred of guilt for that.
They deserve to be exposed.
-Ben
Barry Sewell is sick!
From my understanding these people are core members of the DBC as such they should be accessible to the public, meaning their contact information. Most of those in the transcript have public blogs/vlogs and their emails and aim info is public anyways if you check their blogs.
So I don't understand your objection?
When one handles a piece of evidence one does not tamper with the contents.
Secondly, the content would mean nothing if we did not know who said what. For that matter people would argue and say that I said these things myself.
Decency? Were these comment decent? How about integrity? How about respecting people who choose or were forced to be oralists and use cochlear implants? It is a two way street. Not one way. These comments should not be tolerated especially when they claim to be leaders of Deaf Bilingual Coalition. Leaders are held to a higher standard and has to be held accountability especially because DBC is focused on deaf babies and children. It is our duty to protect the cause and monitor our leaders. Decency? If they had a sense for decency they would resign and restore the cause.
If he does it that way, let him.
That's the true colors of deaf society.
Richard Roehm
When such papers are released to the public, it is customary to black out certain information such as addresses and phone numbers.
I can appreciate the intention for full disclosure, but including information that can be used to harass people isn't necessary.
Berke,
As you should already know, this is the responsibility of the press. Investigative journalism reveals what's nasty just as what's not.
Monica Lewinsky ring a bell? How about Richard Nixon?
Such is the way it is, not just in the deaf community, but in the American scene.
Once you open the doors for the press, you can't try to push them back--Princess Diana learned that the hard way.
-Ben
Yes, you are right about a lot going on in the basement. It is true everywhere. As a newcomer, we meet really nice, friendly, and smiling people, but after one or two years, we find out more and more about dirty stuff about/ behind each individual, leader or follower. Gossip go around that we get to know each other. Personally, I have seen a lot of that over the last 40 years in the Deaf community. I remember being a newcomer and was shocked when some deaf people fed me nasty stuff about some leaders and followers.
Mike Schmidt (sp?) Aka drmzz (Oh I see blogsite) asked whether we thought of close proximity. I say that some don't mind living in a community where deaf people live while others prefer privacy and live far from deaf people. It is the same thing with hearing people. Some hearing people don’t mind living with their parents, children, and other relatives in close proximity, while others move out to big cities. It is the matter of how we feel as individuals. It is a natural thing to do.
It is best to be wary of our leaders and to question them for their ideas, thoughts, and actions. They sometimes tend to speak their own minds, not what followers believe in. They are sometimes too powerful and charismatic that followers accept them readily. Observe, think, question, and decide whether to accept it or not.
Remember we are individuals with different views, likes and dislikes, and so on.
We are just like hearing people so it is why we see a lot of complaints, criticisms, and concerns about our political leaders (in the government). Ours is a small scale community dealing with deaf issues.
Just two cents
I am amused at DR Hocokan and his comments. Those discussions are private. DR Hocokan was already involved in some silly discussion and responded "ha ha" and "funny" without yellow marker. He knew it was humour, not serious.
But for DR Hocokan, he has gone too far. I have to stay away from him and his school of piranhas due to their lack of sense of integrity and decency.
It saddens me that this situation of Dr. Honokan's has forced me to take back my trust in deaf community.
Dr. Hocokan is the one, unbelievable, exposing and violating our trust. We can never work with this man again.
I had read all of it, in search for Dr. Hocokan's so-called innocence, and found that he is simply an accomplice to all of this. I found it (no word to express)..... we do say during stress time or whatever - even hearing persons (I was in the board before so I had seen both sides) - give me a break. You have to admit that, my goodness.
Dr. Hocokan simply is an angry, bitter person that wants to revenge or whatever you want to call.
I applaud those presenters as they, together, worked very, very hard to put all the facts (documents) together for hearing parents and others to get the targeted information on Deaf, HoH, deafened, and hearing of loss children. Those presenters also gave up so much of their times in giving back to current and future children.
Regardless how much their leaders may sting some silly people, I have so much respect for their work and passion in humankind.
Now, Dr. Honokan, I wish you the best luck of recovering your way back to normal - it is going to be a very, very long road down, unfortunately.
I so much want to name my name but man, I am scared of this man, Dr. Honokan-Barry Sewell. After what he just did to expose those presenters, even himself, I can not tell what he can do next to me or any one of us. Phew.
As they say, we forgive you but can't forget.
I, personally, feel that you need to apologize to those presenters.
I am really upset with Dr Hocokans "evidence" - as first, the utter disregard for privacy and lack of respect for any members involved... and second he's doing all of this under the guise of that he calls circular thinking from some sort of native American philosophy, but I'm seeing all out, wantan attack to destroy DBC as much as he can and destroy the core committee members' names as much as he can, as public as he can.
And that he's using some brand of spirituality to justify all of this and that makes me sick.
It does not matter anymore speaking of decency.
The DBC core members (minus the ones who resigned and were dismissed) have BURNED the Deaf community.
They have taken us years and years backward.
I am outraged!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, DR H, for exposing them as WE NEEDED TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
These idiot and immature people were exposed same concept as "Sicko" directed by Micheal Moore. Welcome to America culture.
I thought they made a cruel comments about CI and AGB. They need to come out an d apolgoize to everyone.
I would NOT near DBC people at all.
Der Sankt is abolutely correct. They chose to be public figures. If they don't like to be vilified, they can always step down and start leading private lives.
-Kevin
Jamie- I do not always agree with you, but I agree with you on this one. It is unfortunate.
Barry, the "DR Hocokan" - please don't preach about integrity as you clearly lack YOURS! You disgust me! We, the world, now know that YOU are NEVER BE TRUSTED in the future.
Jamie,
Where is your common sense? If Dr Hocokan tried to hide addresses, we won't know who said who and he will be accused of doctoring the evidence to support his claims.
I have the feeling you have no idea what it is all about, and jumped in just because you saw some AIM names of the leaders.
There were no email addresses - just AIMs. What is your big deal? And I think these AIM names were only for the software used by Deafhood so it is not as if any of us can type those AIM names on our computer and get in touch with those people.
Relax, girl.
To answer your question, A BIG FAT ZERO!
White Ghost, that's not quite true. The AIM/e-mail addresses shown on those papers are their actual addresses. I know because I have a few of those addresses in my address book from previous contacts.
Anonymous, Ben and Hocokan, whatever you think of their actions, that doesn't give you the right to expose/endorse this blatant disregard for privacy. What about striving to be the better person?
And public figures are also entitled to some privacy, according to the courts.
And, Hocokan, don't give me that about not tampering with evidence. You blocked out e-mail addresses on other documents, which I felt was decent of you. For this, you could simply have blocked out all but the first 2 letters of each AIM screenname and provided a key. That would have been enough to let us know who was saying what.
This was an unacceptable invasion of privacy, and here I am focusing solely on that as per the original post. What was actually said has been discussed elsewhere and we can continue the discussion somewhere else. I'm not discussing that here - my words here are focusing on the violation of privacy.
Look at previous conversation dated6/10/08. Same people from them?
http://www.dbcfacts.com/aim1.shtml
Greetings Brothers & Sisters,
Thank you all for your inputs. I really appreciate it. It's a healthy dialogue. Keep it up.
And by the way, I know what is important here. Integrity. We've restored it now that everybody knows about existence of Deafhood Foundation and who their DBC core leaders really are.... radicals that has no business trying to represent us (bilingualists) in the first place.
As for me, I've always functioned in this world as whole, mingling with all sorts of people, not just among the deaf. Out of the entire affair I've never met anybody in person (not even DBC or Deafhood Foundation leader) except for Kristen, DBC's State Chapter Coordinator who introduced me to DBC. Beside her I knew nobody else. Only recently I met few special individuals via VP. They wondered who I was and where I've been through the years and why I just showed recently up out of blue sky.
Simple answer. I have a life outside of deaf community too, thanks to bilingualism and wholeness view I hold precious to my heart.
Naturally some of you want to paint me as the culprit, which is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of what you think of me, I come and go as I please simply because I am a free man and a free soul. Best wishes.
Jamie, I agree!! This one really crosses the line of integrity. How can a person rant and rave about DBC's integrity and then show his true colors of revenge posting private AIM conversations and email addresses. What is the person after?? blood?? geez....
So sad to see bloggers who I respected being brainwashed by one person intent on revenge all because someone didn't agree with his position. What is this world coming to??
DBC has more integrity and is more transparent than these small group of bloggers who are monopolizing every comment on Deafread. Even sadder is that a moderator of Deafread is one of them..
If you feel so strongly about a postion and have a supposed passion for "deafhood" why hide your name? It was a conversation about a supposed "movement" not a personal chat. I think some of the comments made in that AIM conversation show that we all need to be wary of the "deafhooders" along with the AGB folks. I am disappointed at reading what David Eberwein said. He is a principal at CSDF and should represent the school. This shows he has a specific agenda and that makes me uncomfortable. I have children who attend CSDF and knowing that one of the staff, let alone a principal, has views such as his indicates to me that David may not be recpeptive to students and parents who are not "ASL only" folks.
If DBC think they're that transparent just leave this alone and show their identities for all to see. That's pure transparency. Tough luck. Deaf on Deaf Galore!
Jamie,
I found Dr. Hookam's enclosure to be very fascinating and interesting. That was very important for historians of the deaf.
This enclosure is really a rich treasure of the Deaf History without any kind of editing and omittence. We need more of unedited conversations to be submitted for our Deaf History.
I was kinda enlightened by DBC core members' conversations and was not surprised at all. I had no problems at all.
Ben Vess think differently. That is his right to express his thoughts. :)
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
Barry, you are no brother. Call us, people because it is not only your sisters and brothers viewing your comments, but other people also read your comments, posts and dirts with disgusts.
First of all, there is no such thing of "Deafhood Foundation" PERIOD! Deafhood is more on idenitity side instead of organization! When I see that word in use, I think IDIOTS!
I still don't understand WHY Barry Sewell is doing this to DBC. He is all TALK, no ACTION for the Deaf/Signing Community. At least DBC is doing something for the Deaf babies/children.
I have seen the so called evidence that was posted on DBCFacts... I found nothing wrong there, alot of the so called comments were just jokes, being funny. All leaders DO make jokes about things but to people that they TRUST. I would say that it was a mistake for DBC to trust Barry or others and I hope that they will learn from this.
And about Barry's angriness against Ella, I have seen the "email" that Ella sent to Barry. Ella was very polite, asking him including "PLEASE" and "THANK YOU" in using the VP to communicate. She even gave reason of why and it was not bilingual related! That shows me that Barry has alot of grudge against people and I am not surprised that many people aren't fond of Barry.
WHHAATTTT?????
DE is one of the principals at CSD Fremont???
No way I am sending my child there when he gets older. NO WAY.
I will show my claws if any one of them indoctrinate yy child into a Deaf radical.
Why isnt Hank Klopping doing anything?
ok- but -to "dr. Hocokan"-
even you said "everyone in the core group ..knows etc. etc."
Did the participants gave you permission to make thier conversations public?
It seems to me that there are issues of expectations of private here. You, as the secreatcy of the group was entrusted in keeping these communications private. You did'nt. You ought to be shame of yourself.
And to to those who have supported this man, Barry, I say this: this man is very bitter and I don't want to be a part of this bitter and angrey man. Enought.
Raphael J. St. Johns
Mind you folks, David Eberwein is an employee of California School for the Deaf, Fremont. He is the new principal there. He is the employee of State of California therefore his comments are public information.
Barb is also an employee of Rochester School for the Deaf therefore she is the employee of State of New York. Her views on oralism opposition is public information.
Because Ella is on the Board of California Association for the Deaf her comments and views is also public information.
And because DBC tapped into CAD's tax exempt status their finances became public's affairs.
Know what?? AGBell is laughing at you all. How sad!
well, they are public figures. i dont give a damn about my president's privacy.
if you assume the post, be prepared to lose your nuts. that's the sacrifice you make.
I personally have a problem with leaders that have something to hide.
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