Thursday, May 22, 2008

Identity and Conformity

13 comments:

drmzz said...

Opps, forgot to add. I share some general examples of Identity and Conformity: Sports, Army, Riot, deaf children, and this can also apply to abusive relationship, cult, and religion. (Social Psychology).

Steve said...

Good one, however the problem is too many mixed up Identities...Oral, ASL, C.I., you name it. But for wheelchair one Identity, for Blind one Identity, so forth. It is very difficult to follow which Deaf Identities you pick for your child. Flip coin...BAM put on C.I.,.....Another deaf child flip coin......BAM go to deaf school...so much so different deaf Identities! Good one again.

Judge said...

What about the hearing kids with Deaf parents going to public school?? Their identities are absolutely different! Whose identities belong at very early age??

Just wondering.

Steve said...

Good question, Judge...I would say yes but you have to social with both deaf and hearing communities. Hearing communities that I used to be with my large family and some friend mixed with deaf and hearing. For examply you adopt your china kid and you have to show both cultures! Makes sense?

LaRonda said...

Good points. At the same time, while some deaf people will grow up and question their parent's reasons for not using ASL, for getting them a CI, or for putting them into mainstream schools, there will be others who praise them for doing this because they have become "enculturated" into the hearing world.

Similarly, I have become "enculturated" into the Deaf world. Our identity is a personal choice.

We are all motivated by a need to belong, but like you said, conformity takes away our identity. We need to stay true to who we know we are at our deepest level.

Good vlog, Mike.

~ LaRonda

todos la vie said...

Hey Mike, this reminds me of the book, Fire in the Belly, where it explains that men and boys are born with, from, within a woman and can not live without woman (not talking about gay). They are forced into the masculine concept, pried apart from their mothers to go into the male ideology - armies, quarterbacking for football, being macho, etc. When he guided into customs like the bar mitzvahs, circumcisions, and other male rituals, a bit of his identity is taken away. Degrading of women such as abuse and rape confuses him because a woman had him in her womb, fed him, and provided wisdom.

There are so much ideology out there. Frankly ideology doesn't sell in creative writing. I could quote Leo Tolstoy here, but... It's so important to look at your own natural identity - that's what people love.

Anne Marie said...

Drmzz is pinpointing exactly what I told about the difference in empowerment between one following the crowd, being ordered to follow etc opposed to one discovering his/herself and his/her own identity.

People do ok being "herded", even many like to just follow but these people and these so called leaders have to respect individuals who rather to self discover and self empower this way, many times they are not respected because of feeling threatened with independence. Independence and individualism do not necessarily loosen the fabric of society, group, culture nor collectivism. Bah! Power grubbers are confused with this. They have soooo cocky urge to control by straitjacketing with conformity that the cliche of limited mentality erodes creativity so much needed for a group or culture to survive. How pathetic..

Jean Boutcher said...

Interesting vlog. I agree with Todos la Vie's points of view. It is my opinion that deaf women's identities have been robbed thousands and a time during their lifetimes -- definitely more than those of hearing women. Feminist Gloria Steinem discussed this point in her article in MS magazine in 1960s. To keep her precious identity, one has to rebel with a good cause.

Aidan Mack said...

todos la vie: Interesting! This is something that I really put myself in 360 view.

DrMzz: I read an article, and I forgot the name of the article. it was five years ago. It mentioned that there is less 20 percent of people from all over the world who are not comformists?

Aidan

Deb Ann said...

Thank you, Mike. It's so interesting. That's very true about Identity and Conformity. It can apply to abusive relationship. A young lady tried to please her husband and do his way...it's part of abusive relationship until she finds out that it's not healthy. She'd struggle to find her own identity and probably gets out of the abusive relationship. It can apply to many different situations. Interesting Vlog!

MM said...

Conformity, safety in Numbers. To feel safe most of us would wear a silly hat and speak any language and adopt any ID let's face it. I think conformism is just a safety belt for most, personally I think it stifles the individual. You can't stand out in the crowd if you don't get in with it first, why are people so against individualism ?

Deaf Cinema said...

having trouble playing ur video smoothly

must be my wireless reception

overall great topic to explore (from what i could see ; )

wondering about the role of state of agency versus state of autonomy and how that places out in the Deaf community - many folks have written about the phenomonen of learned helplessness / looking glass self / self fulfilling prophecy and also because the Deaf world is so small we at some times see others exert social controls to silence non-conformist for fear of rocking the boat, building bridges, making Deaf folks look bad etc

milgram and the zimbardo prison study at standford both illustrated that group behavior and a state of agency is not unusual or specific to any one cultural group

bell hooks and many liberation / post-colonialism writers examine states of agency and autonomy

really important stuff

re: women in oppressed groups - bell hooks writes about this in Rock My Soul re: african-americans and how disenfranchised African-American males seized on nationalistic bents to re-affirm themselves and their manhood resulting in further disenfranchising and silencing African-American women


sorry for commenting so late in the game

peace

patti

Third Eye Blind said...

Oralism is the answer to your described "army" that deaf kids has to follow. Tongue and ears trained instead of mind and soul is a terrible thing you can do to a deaf kid. By the way I am new here. Look up my blog and tell me what you think?