I just finished reading Jodi’s blog, and I felt compelled to write a post in response.
The Deaf world is very much like the gay world. Gay by Nature, Proud by Choice is a slogan that us Deaf could borrow if you replace Gay with Deaf, because so many of us identify with that sentiment. You’re born with it, and it’s who you are.
For the Deaf Community, when we see a parent trying to have their deaf child implanted, many of us recoil, because it’s similar to the gay conversion pseudo-therapy that some parents put their gay kids through.
In fact, the whole Oral/ASL debate could be compared to the gay conversion/gay pride debate pretty well. On one hand, you have a faction who’s screaming, “It’s abnormal! There’s too much social stigma, and it’s unnatural! We gotta change it!” and you have the other faction going, “Variations in human nature is normal! Be proud of who you are and just accept yourself!”
Now we know that gay conversion doesn’t really work. There might be 1% where it does succeed, but then it’s probably because the person’s bisexual, and not gay. So when we see a deaf person get a CI, we feel that person’s lost to us, shoved back in the closet and a pretend hearing. Up to several years ago, the CI didn’t really work as advertised. So we had to sit back and watch in sorrow as that child or adult struggled for years, even decades before giving up, and accepting himself then joined us. Those people were taught to be ashamed of his/her deafness, that speaking and lip-reading is infinitely better than waving about your hands in public.
Just like how being straight is taught to be infinitely better than being gay.
And then we have ASL. Our language’s like how a dyke or a flamboyant gay would dress. We’re so obviously gay. We’re so obviously Deaf. We swagger around, swish our hips, wave our hands about in public and we’re not ashamed to show that we are X, and that offends the sensibilities of the Puritans! We just cannot have those outrageous displays! *hands over mouth!*
Then we just don’t know what to do with the proud oral deaf. They’re the bisexuals of our world. Not quite in the hearing world, but not quite in the deaf world either. They’re in their own world. Just like the gays and straights, we want them to just make up their minds, goddamn it and pick one side! But it doesn’t work that way, does it?
Then we have the semi-closeted deaf. They don’t use ASL. They use other communication modes and we’re annoyed at their refusal to just come fully out of the closet. A deaf person using SEE is like a butch saying, “I’m a lesbian, yes.. but I’m still going to wear dresses.”
You know that this person is a butch and not a lipstick. You know this person is Deaf. Why don’t you just embrace yourself for who you are? Go full throttle and freely express who you are instead of being stifled in a social construct in what’s supposed to be normal, proper and acceptable? Screw what’s normal, proper and acceptable!
The LG community eventually came to accept the transgenders and bisexuals, and so will we when it comes to the oral deaf and CI’ers.
P.S. When that happens, can we borrow your flag?
February 20, 2008 at 12:48 pm
But I’m gay, dammit!!!
*signs in slow motion with ‘I’ hitting chest* “I am…”
*crowd gasps* “Butch!!!!! She’s butch!!!!”
*confused look, turning around to a Gay friend, pointing at chest with finger index with the other hand up in the air*
“Wait, I am…”
*other side of crowd gasps* “She’s pretending to be gay!!! Look at that thing on her head!!! Get the f**k outta here!!!”
*looks up at hearing hubby on the top of the stairs, mouthing “What the f…..”*
*entire crowd gasps, hands fluttering in air*
“She’s bisexual!!!”
*hubby flickers the switch, gets everyone’s attention*
“She’s fucking gay, alright?!”
*crowd murmurs in ASL*
“No, you are gay! She’s straight!”
February 20, 2008 at 12:50 pm
LOL. I love that, IamMine.
February 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Hey, Jodi where are you at, butch girl?
Good analysis.
Where is Lori? Where is Dori? Your’e both twins. I want either of you but you both are the same person. If I met you the wrong person, then, I’d confuse with the same face, body and same clothes! I’m mad as hell! I’m f**ked up.
LOL.
February 20, 2008 at 1:14 pm
How awful about Jamie Berke getting the CI! Why in the world Jamie is doing to herself?
I was absolutely right about Jamie Berke all the way for what she was really all about!
Jamie Berke is definitely a real turncoat to the deaf community across the globe!
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
RLMDEAF blog
DP HERE: Don’t do this again. Or it will be deleted.
February 20, 2008 at 1:16 pm
RLM, if you have a problem with Jamie, email her. Don’t bring it on here. Next time I’ll delete your comment.
February 20, 2008 at 1:21 pm
But Jamie’s gay, too!
February 20, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Iammine! psst, shhhh!
Jamie could either be a girl or boy. Still confusing, huh?
pssst….are they cloned?
February 20, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I did not appreciate your observation: A deaf person using SEE is like a butch saying, “I’m a lesbian, yes.. but I’m still going to wear dresses.”
That does not mean your observation is not accurate. In fact, I can agree to an extent that your analogy makes sense but only up to a point where the environment is complex and the situation can change depending on a word. As unfortuante that may be, it is reality.
For example, I use SEE in law school especially for moot court competitions as well as in the corporate environment. I am not ashamed of that because I have tried other variations. ASL is not workable as we would like especially when the nunances and the precise vocabulary is important. I am disapointed that you do not seem to recognize that.
If you want to trade emails to get my persceptive, please feel free to contact me at scott (at) vannice (dot) come.
February 20, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Your comment was deleted because of bashing… NO bashing is allowed. I don’t give a damn what you guys think about Jamie, but this is NOT the time or place to discuss her and her CI.
February 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm
On March 11, 1998, Deaf President Now marchers loaned a banner from civil right read, “WE STILL HAVE A DREAM.” DP raised a very good question: when we will borrow their banner/flag?
On a different note, religion has always been at the center of controversy: abortion, gay, stem cell, education, science, slavery, and etc. It causes divisions among people. It’s interesting and unique that religion is NOT the main reason for the Deaf community’s so-called subdivision. Life is complicated but beautiful. I look forward to the day when everyone stop suffering.
February 20, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Scott, I use SEE too. I find it useful for certain courses, too.
Like programming courses, for example. I ain’t ashamed either. But I’m gay, dammit!
But what I’m saying and what I think DP is saying is how we label and treat people and vice versa…
Whether we say it aloud or not.
By the way, Scott, if you had been keeping up with DP’s blogs… you would see that while she is a strong advocate of ASL and Deaf Culture, she does acknowledge that there are different needs such as cued speech, SEE, etc…
DP and I have different views but we get along just fine here.
February 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Yep, it is a great analogy!
The gay people are going to react collectively, too, if the parents find they can select embryos without the gay genes or use genetic engineering to fix their gay teenager.
February 20, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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February 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm
It’s the closest analogy I could think of. That pingback is a good blog article and the author points out that sexuality is on a continuum, and not all gay men are flamboyant, etc…
That’s a given, and it’s also a given that one can be very culturally Deaf and break some norms of the culture. But in my post I was being very broad for the hearing readers. There are always exceptions to the rule.
February 20, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Hi y’all,
First of all, I would be a lipstick lesbian and not butch. Second of all, A Deaf Pundit, I am extremely satisfied that my post stimulated your thinking and analogy creation…or was it my hot sister who got your juices flowing?
Next, keep in mind, my analogy was created as a hearing parent observing from the outside with one foot in and not as a gay member of the community.
In observing Trans, bi, lesbian, dyke, butch, gay, etc. I noticed that they have the Pride thing inherent and while certain groups within groups may snob the others, they still appreciate each other and consider themselves as equal opportunity members of the same community…this is what is not the case in the Deaf community. Feel free to compare body language to ASL as an analogy.
Know what I mean?
I fistsmack you, (If I may) Jodi
February 20, 2008 at 4:57 pm
I am enoromously indebted to my heroine, Gloria Steinem, the founder of Ms Magazine focussing on feminists’ rights. She has taught women to be proud of their sex. The pre-Steinem era, many latent gays and lesbians were unwilling to marry (some were forced to marry by their parents who taught daughters that men were above women). All of a sudden, some deafies, myself included, witnessed the rise of Gay Pride in Greenwich Village. Subsequently, lesbians jumped on a gay bandwagon in the mid 1960s. Several years later, we were overwhelmed by more and more slogans, including Deaf Pride (1985s).
Had it not been for Steinem, I do not think we would see “Gay Pride” and”Deaf Pride”. I may be wrong, but I HAD BEEN there and eyewitnessed the events. Sorry to ramble.
February 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Yeah, I agree both communities are very similiar in some ways.
However, you can’t find out if you are gay at birth or very early age, compared with deaf. Some people can detect much earlier like around 5 years old. Many more young teens come out in middle schools, compared with a few decades ago. Being openly gay is common nowadays probably due to NYC’s Stonewall riot in 1969. They ripped the closet doors opening after that by hosting annual gay pride parades and other events, increasing gay awareness and visible. Before Stonewall, it was completely a taboo being gay and they were stuck in a cold, dark, damp closet for thousands of years. I can’t imagine that!
Speaking of similarity, I was in ASL closet too as I used ASL under table or behind my oral teachers’ backs. We were even punished or frowned down by using ASL in classrooms at my oral school.
It is truly blessing that the American society has transformed to allow us enjoy being ourselves. Or I would be another Senator Larry Craig, being busted toe tapping in a bathroom! No, it was a wide stance! Yeah, right, sure!
February 20, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Here am I again. Your term, “semi-closeted deaf,” should be patented and published in the ASL dictionary. There are some deaf people who vigorously deny utilising ASL. They would look horrified with shock, “Me sign in ASL. Oh, no! No! No! I use PSE, not ASL!” Actually, PSE is a misnomer for Signed English (or Signing Supporting by Written English and Fingerspelling. They who deny do not use SSWEF!
February 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Hey Jodi, I think I’ll plead the 5th on who stimulated my thinking.
And yes, I understand your point. No analogy is perfect… and this is the closest one I could get to. And speaking as a person who’s not so straight, no… there are factions in the GLBT community who view bisexuals and transgenders as not completely equal. It’s not as prevalent as before… but it exists.
I think what you are seeing right now is like how it was in the early beginnings of the open GLBT communities.
February 20, 2008 at 7:55 pm
My girlfriend didn’t like me pleading the fifth. LOL. Just wanted to clarify, it was both you and your sister.
*pads off to the doghouse*
February 20, 2008 at 9:23 pm
This is FABULISSO! Great writing. I love how your mind works, Deaf Pundit!
Julie
February 21, 2008 at 3:11 am
Tell your girlfriend, I just woke up and I am so rotfl! Go visit Niki if you guys are ever at a festival and check out her site to see which events she might be doing near you. Can you tell I’m still waking up???? I need a cappuccino! Thanks for your post and taking the analogy deeper, Jodi
February 21, 2008 at 10:37 am
Hey, Jodi… are you talking about this site: http://www.michfest.com/ ? I was told about this festival by a person running for Bonnaroo festival in Tennessee that I was going to volunteer this year but can’t make it.
Anyway, I didn’t know that this one was set up by Lesbian women and when I pointed that out, she said, “But they welcome every woman whether they are straight, bi, etc…”
She went on to say how together they got it over there and have gotten so many positive comments from straight women who really enjoyed their time there! That they felt so free being around other women without the presence of men.
For a week! LOL….
Sorry for getting off the topic, DP…but I had to share this tidbit!
Again… I’m gay, dammit! *pouts*
February 21, 2008 at 1:13 pm
She reads my blog, so she is probably smiling at your comment, Jodi. If we ever decide to go to a festival, we’ll definitely look your sister up!
February 21, 2008 at 1:32 pm
http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2006-06-13/deviant-cultures/