Did not I mention two-way respect?
I never said we must OBEY elders.
I suggest we ought to respect elders by understanding their perspective — taking in theirs. It is really hard for them to feel us ( young people), because they are not “living” in our time. We do not have to learn and practice what they do. We just need to learn to listen and UNDERSTAND.
That way we can either agree or disagree.
Simply put, understanding does not mean we must follow or obey.
Young people and elders … it means the whole population! Duh!
Funny thing . . .
Every time I express my high level thoughts justifying something in ASL , I end up not being well received. A lot of misunderstandings. I notice whenever I share my deep thoughts, I tend to use ASL with its English grammar, and spell some certain big words. That makes me sign clumsily a little bit , AND many of you perceive them wrong.
Whenever I want to think beyond societal norms and ask simple questions, I must pause and think how do I express them — what audience, what language, and how should I deliver — to prevent great misunderstandings.
Often, I tell them however I feel like.
As I said on my previous blog, many of you either understand or misunderstand — of those who misunderstand, they often contribute toward the ambiance of misunderstanding. Sometimes they become deliberately antagonistic, however, they also can be unwitting at times.
Note: Look out for a new video post on a Zen Story in ASL!
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June 30th, 2007 at 11:15 am
Teri, I for one understood and agreed with what you were saying. I saw Lois’ vlog, and while I didn’t agree with everything she said, I thought she had a point on several issues. And she’s also older, and comes from a different time and place… so we have to understand that part - just like you said!
I think some just don’t understand because some of us see only what we *want* to see, unfortunately. Don’t let the misunderstandings or deliberately antagonistic comments get to you too much.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
*shrug* What can I say? Like I said on Virginia’s blog on ethics, though I hated saying it, there are truthfully some deaf whose level of English does not make for successful typed out discussion. My advice is simply live with it and hope for best. Other than that, yeah, I got you the first time :).
Take care and I’m looking forward to the Zen story!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
As for signing out your thoughts, I will not say anything because you said you used to teach at Gally if I recall correctly so I will leave that up to you :).
July 1st, 2007 at 12:44 am
Yeah … Like I said we are humans. Sigh — some people just don’t want to hear this.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:51 am
Teri,
I LOVE your new title bar! Very colorful! You had mentioned a number of times that you ver making your vlogs after the kids were in bed. The “late-night-Deaf-female-vlogger” suits you well!
You hit it right on the nail - you didn’t suggest we obey elders, but respect them, open discourse and agree or disagree. Good follow up.
~ LaRonda
July 1st, 2007 at 1:01 am
all right, we should respect and understand Hitler’s hatred of jews and his right to extreminate the group.
yeah, right.
R-
July 1st, 2007 at 1:06 am
Ricky,
Yes, it is necessary to understand his behavior — why he did this and that.
That will help people not to repeat history!
July 1st, 2007 at 1:32 am
Oscar,
You took the context out!. However I feel like expressing my thoughts here — they belong not to a formal educational setting, but to my v/blog site.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:42 am
As a Zen teacher said, “Is that so?”
It really does not matter because I essentially agree with you on mutual respect as an important process in debate.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:57 am
Teri,
I am not worry about it because there is several Smart Deaf people out there to help better education to improve our knowledage ….. that is how we learn each other to reach the point of view. Elder will learn too and SHUT UP TOO!
No one is PERFECT!
EVERYDAY IS NEW THINGS SOME THING ALWAYS TO LEARN THAT NEVER STOP!
Sometime I don’t depend on elders at all as example true it happen to me like older elder speak bad word straight at me …… I won’t buy that kind of there mind is awful to do . I only take what is make sense in my heart and mind tell me what is right. However we do have Freedom speech to say …… people listen and take it or not with good sense or bad sense.
Davy
July 1st, 2007 at 2:35 am
Teri,
Rest assured, I am in toto agreement with you on this matter.
There is absolutely NO comparison between Hitler and Lois. WHEREAS Hitler had holocausted six million Jews, Lois has not murdered anyone. One does not have to be an Albert Einstein to discern the different essence between Hitler and Lois. Therefore, it is a colossal, gigantic, vast, huge claim that there is a comparison between Hitler and Lois. What did Lois do? She merely furnished us with inaccurate information.
Off on a tangent:
Most people graduating from Gallaudet before 1960 were/are very snobbish and flatly refuse to believe that ASL is a foreign language. They claim to think in English as they sign. Their sign system is known as Signing Supported by Written English (or Signed English and Rochester Fingerspelling) — the same sign system that my mother and her contemporaries in 1930s utilised. They even mouthed in English as they signed. They signed more intricately and poetically — in a vertical line. I witnessed their Signed English when I was a kid playing on the Galdlaudet campus while my parents visited with their old Gallaudet friends. (MY mother was a product of Maryland School for the Deaf.)
Even in 1990s, I introduced some NWC teachers to deaf professors at the main campus and told them that the main campus professors used ASL. To which they vigorously denied and said, “No, I do not use ASL. I use PSE” or “Me use ASL? No, not me. Me use PSE.”
So when I read Lois’ blogpost, I said to myself, “Nihil sub sole novum.” Therefore, I did not bother to respond or wrestle with her. I soliloquized “Lois is one of those!” Pointless to argue or talk into changing her mind.
Back to square one, to compare Hitler with Lois is one of the silliest comparisons I have ever heard. Not only that, but ADL (Anti-Defamation League) would object if they saw someone compare Hitler with Lois! ADL says that Hitler was and will always be the one and the only one Hitler. Therefore, we are reasonable to DISRESPECT Hitler, but we would be UNREASONABLE to disrespect Lois if using Ridor’s argument. If Ricky insists that, I would like to see his syllogism based on Aristotle’s structural principle.
To make myself more clear:
I do not respect Hitler for killing six million Jews.
I respectfully disagree Lois’s opinion.
Pure and simple.
Jean Boutcher
July 1st, 2007 at 2:49 am
Jean B — I was planning to mention this but I was afraid I might be insulted or bashed by someone else again . I am glad you brought it up! *waving with both hands* Lois is a sweet and mysterious woman!
July 1st, 2007 at 3:17 am
Jean,
“To make myself more clear:
I do not respect Hitler for killing six million Jews.
I respectfully disagree Lois’s opinion.
Pure and simple.”
Very well said!
We all don’t agree on something one way or another whether it may be on topics of religion, sexuality, Deafness/Deafhood, family, moral values, and etc. The only way we can all get along is to at least respect each other’s opinions and show due respect.
Like you, I respectfully disagree with Lois’ opinions and statements. At the same time, I respect her motivation on making a VLOG. Not that many people her age are willing to take technology hands on.
Best,
Erick
July 1st, 2007 at 4:36 am
of course! i have so many disagreements with my grammas in the past. lol we always respect elders, no matter what. i was in shock when ridor said me to “shut up, bitch” once i asked him a question on his blog. well. it ’s his plms , not mine
*laughing*
July 1st, 2007 at 5:13 am
I was just recently watching a tv program about getting out of debt. The man who was in his 60’s, he came over and told the couple directly that they had debt problems and all that. This particular woman got really upset, she even cussed him out, the husband had to put out a disclaimer on his wife. I found it kinda of interesting as i wasnt raised to treat people like this and i was taught to respect elders.
More and more people are speaking in “salty” language, im not sure why. Even the comedians do that as well. Our language is evolving and i also think some people want to get their point across immediately and with some shock value.
Is that good or bad?
Im sure we are not the only ones, there have been plenty of hearing commentors who do the same thing in various blogs.
We need to examine more on this, even though its hard for us to fathom when people are using salty language to others and it feels as if they are disrespecting them.
Whatever Lois did, it would have been a little more helpful if she made a vlog to explain about her thoughts and all that to clear up the air.
We have some bloggers/vloggers in Deafread who think differently from us and have invoked some emotions among deaf people. I think some of us were shocked at what Lois had to say as we probably felt she was “one of us”.
Regardless of this, i still hope that we continue to make vlogs and write blogs anyway.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:17 am
Teri,
I like your new look. Far out!
You just can’t please everyone. The easiest thing in the world is to be your charming self.
AND I am not your average grandma. ha ha This whole vlogging business shows clearly that we need to bridge the gap between young and old.
Oh, let him rant and rave! Let’s smother him with kindness.
Lois
July 1st, 2007 at 7:09 am
Teri –
A deaf late Night Vlogger?
I never thought you would stay up too late…..
I am impressed that your teenage kids would never complain to you and tell you that you need to rest to get ready for the next sunshine! My “pre-teenage” daughter complains and tells me to stay in rest!
Love your banner! It suits you well.
As you said in this blog…..well, the world isn’t perfect.
White Ghost
July 1st, 2007 at 7:46 am
Cool banner, declaring yourself as a late night vlogger… that would give David Letterman, Jay Leno, etc., a run for money…late night vlogging, huh? :o)
I heard you loud and clear a few days ago. We have to remember that in order to understand people, we need to walk a mile in their shoes. When I read the blogs or/and view the vlogs, I put myself in the state of neutrality (no agreeing nor disagreeing), and that helps me to understand the meanings behind the words/signs.
As for me, I don’t see myself deaf first. I see myself as a PERSON first, with a role and a purpose on this planet Earth. I noticed if we saw ourselves DEAF, we’d have agreeing and disagreeing, respecting and “dissing” going on.
Have a great day… :o)
July 1st, 2007 at 10:09 am
I second Karen, Oscar, and others… I heard you the first time loud and clear. I did have a problem with a few things that Lois said in her vlog, but at the same time I was impressed with her ability to do vlogs. Wow! Isn’t v/blogosphere about discourse?
The deaf community is small compared to the hearing community, which we all know that. In both communities, there are different levels of discourse. Most of time, we as humans in general, tend to gravitate towards to similar levels of discourse, because we feel comfortable at that level and tend to have similar experiences. Sometimes, we need to be challenged by other levels of discourse, yet some people are not comfortable with that. In the hearing community, there are more people at similar levels of discourse, whereas in the deaf community, there are not as many. I hope I’m making sense here, and I don’t mean to “stir” trouble here, Teri. :0)
July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 am
Loving the banner too!
I got nothing to say ’cause everyone else had their great inputs.
I’ll act like Erick’s infamous parrot.
LOL!
Now you got me wanting to work on my new wordpress…but ahhh I lack creativity!!!
Anyway back to topic… I also saw you clear and bright the first time!
Move on to your next Zen story!
Happy 4th july, everyone!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:18 am
Hey,
Just drop by to leave a short comment . . .
This post addresses some comments, blogs, and vlogs — not to all of you.
Just wanted to bring it up — venting out after reading them!
Be back soon!
Happy Sunday!
PS: Thanks for the notes and votes on my new design.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:38 am
Hi Teri,
Two different categories that I want to discuss about.
People have no respect for any people’s culture and identity for no reason DO NOT RESPECT THEIR BEHAVIOURS AND ATTITUDES. (for example, people who look down on people and culture - are essential audists, racists, sexists and ableists.)
People who disagree with issues but still respect people and cultures, should be respected. (for example, people who respect people and culture but still want to discuss for better purposes (share clarification and ideas with people).
I know there are many elders that I have a lot of respect for. But I have seen other elders have serious problems and destructed other people for their own personal purposes. Their behaviours/attitudes do not deserve any respect. They only deserve “HELP” but they have their own choice. So be it.
Let karma take care of that.
Deafchip
July 1st, 2007 at 10:41 am
Teri - who/where did you get the idea someone is saying that you said “OBEY” the elders, I didn’t see you nor anyone (comments) talking about OBEY? Just wondering why this was brought up. Of course, Obey & Respect are 2 different things. from my understanding, it is a responsibility for a speaker to
make the message clear and for us to understand. It is not our fault if the
speaker isn’t clear or isn’t able to deliver the message to the audience
correctly.
What Ridor has said is way off the point. How can we understand Hitler’s behavior?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:51 am
Ricky
You should respect and understand Jeffery Dahmer murdered at least 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991. The fact that he was gay.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:10 am
Teri, I love your new banner. That’s so you. You are right many readers miss the point. Your message is about two way respect between young and old. That’s all. I think I understand why you had to post replying that particular blog. Sorry, it is not Ridor.
BAD, there is a post at Deafread saying we should obey all elders. I do not want to get bashed for saying who. It’s posted. I understand why Teri have to follow up.
Everyone, who brings up evil people’s names, has no common sense. I believe that’s not what Teri means. The point is two way respect. It is hard to understand their behaviors, but we must figure out why they did that.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:25 am
Good one ChrisH!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:26 am
Hi,
Will any of you please put down html for me to see the vlog which Lois addressed about respecting the elders? I have been looking around for it. I must have missed it. Thanks!
Kindly regards,
cb
July 1st, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Chuck,
Click Lois’s vlog below:
http://www.lois4.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/guestbook.cgi
July 1st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Damn it! (Pardon my French) I have to neglect my project to reply some comments here.
Yes, I am tired of being so nice and subtle — tiptoeing around some Deaf readers to be sure I do not offend anyone.
See my point!
Commentors here and there (other blogs) . . . they are either DELIBERATELY antagonistic or ignorant.
Anyone who knows me should know that I would never say or think such things but it’s hard to tell … people have poor comprehension and also a jerk or cyberbully response to stuff like this.
Respect Hilter!? Evil murderers Oh, PLEASE!
Before I further, I want to make clear that just by typing this I am not saying “Oh, Hilter had an abusive childhood, no love from parents … poor Hilter!”
Hilter, serial killers, dictators, murderers, bullies, bashers, and any evil person were/are NOT EXCUSED fro their behaviors!
But we need to UNDERSTAND what factors that create those monsters. It can be useful for figuring out people around us today.
Definitely we should try to analyze and understand the psychology behind it — abuse, no love, no attention, and so on. (I could not fathom how Hitler or killers could do that and not, at some point, wake up next day, and say, “Oh, I killed innocent people?)
Some reported that many serial killers started off by killing animals or torturing beings when they were young and not being intervened.
We need to identify these people early – especially during their childhood by researching and understanding what cause Hilter and all other evil people to behave or react.
Finally, I happen to believe that the more we understand, the better off we are. PERIOD!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Thanks, Jean for directing Chuck to Lois’ site.
Me off to work on other projects and read a Zen book!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:35 pm
OMG, many stupid comments as usual.
ChrisH: I have no iota of respect for Jeff Dahmer. Even if he was straight or gay, the point is that he has no right to take people’s lives.
So your argument is pointless.
Kira: Don’t act like you’re shocked when I slammed you — after all, one can read your comments which you frequently attacked me with your gibberish grammar from time to time. Says a lot about your intelligence, though.
Jean Boutcher: You care to argue about something else? Let’s use Martin Luther as a prime example. No, I’m not talking about Martin Luther King. I’m talking about Martin Luther, the one who founded the Lutheran Church in Germany during the 16th Century. Martin Luther’s hatred of Jews were translated in texts and writings. He wrote that the Jews’ homes should be destroyed, synagogues should be burned, wealth should be confiscated. Martin Luther published the texts which flamed the hatred of Jewish communities for decades in Germany. The hatred of Jewish Communities reached its peak when the Holocaust occurred 400 years later.
All started by whom? Martin Luther’s hateful words. Do not say that it ws all in Adolf Hitler’s mind from day one. He was indoctrinated by his folks, who were indoctrinated by the others … all from one thing: Martin Luther’s words.
Lois’ words are damaging and misinformation. What she said about ASL contains the iota of common sense. Better to squash her just like that and she does not deserve my respect.
After all, respect has to be earned and is not one-way street.
Like you, Jean, I recall you sending me an email telling me to show the respect for you because you’re 70 years old. It is inevitable that you used your ageism as a crutch in demanding people to show you an iota of respect. By that, you totally lost my respect in you. But again, I lost my respect for you when you continued to bring the problems on the table after people already buried the hatchet. Capisce?
R-
July 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Wow…While I saw Lois’s comment about ASL and it’s influence on English to be inaccurate at best, it still does not give anyone the right to bash her. No one has to agree with her. Take politics and religion for example - the two most controversial subjects. It’s polite to agree to disagree. Why lower one self to name calling? So, I agree with Teri about differences in generation and each views. Some could be due to the way one was exposed while growing up in different times or given misinformation. All we can do is to continue to educate and show facts that refutes that statement rather than bashing. It’s funny (not like ha ha ha) that some deaf people would compare Lois to Hitler or Dahmer. For some deaf people to misunderstand other peoples message is very common. How about trying to sit back and think or view the video again and sit back and think before saying anything. Lois probably felt that her English skills is good due to the way whe was educated and I dont’ blame her for thinking that way. “this way” might work for some while “that way” works for others. However, we are seeing time and time again that ASL has been prooven to work, so we need to continue to pass that information on. That is our job, to advocate for the future of deaf generations.
Quit bashing, people!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Huh, looks like the temperature of the comments are getting a bit hotter…
:o) Enjoy your Zen book… I am reading Deepak Chopra’s Buddha… I just started and it is good so far…
Karen
July 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Judge –
Please help them to settle the parties.
White Ghost
July 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Beautifully done! A Late Night Vlogger fits you perfectly!
I love the banner.. awesome work!!
-SG
July 1st, 2007 at 3:06 pm
i know what you talk about. “young people and elders. it means the whole population. duh” gave away. i know who. it is ignorant of her to post. it is a waste of time. you are too nice to finger point at her.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Am I still the ONLY ONE that did not see who said about Teri “stating” Obey? I know she didn’t state “OBEY” elders - I know its about respect. I still can’t find Teri stating Obey…oh boy!
July 1st, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Here being on a short break from a project . . . and need to help with dinner soon, and then will do the Zen story tonight after putting the kids to bed — if if if I stay awake.
So be it an informal one — no time to reflect and recode!
First, I apologize for not making it possible for folks to leave comments for a while. I am still working on the site –tweaking. Sorry!
Anyway . . .
Last night I fell asleep after spending a couple of hours redesigning my site and posting my short missive. I did not have a chance to vlogging, because I read the book, 101 Zen Koans to review, and it made me so sleepy (was not it a boring one, I was pretty exhausted beforehand). And I ended up dozing off into the dreamland.
That explains no video clips lately.
In fact, I end up spending most of my time today hacking (not a bad thing, it is a buzz word) codes. It is quite difficult for me to quit playing with them — always want to make some breakthroughs.
Stepping back to this post . . .
No bashing, please.
I feel somewhat abused –using this facility to blast some folks. This is not RidorLive! (smiling at Ricky, he is a darling.)
Sigh!
As you may know, my primary goal of this v/blog site is to ensure it is a positive space. where we can be honest and debate without defaming or offending (yes, I know I was a little bit iirritated this morning.
I have a mixed feeling about some comments left here. I want to delete them, however I feel it will mess up the flow.
What am I saying, do you know?
Since I first set up this site, I deleted only four comments so far! For the past several days (knocking on a piece of wood), I notice this new trend of having somewhat negative comments being left here — not too bad, really. But STILL!
Me do do? ( ASL-thinking) Moderating comments? No way! Too much trouble and It will ruin the flow of discourse!
IOh, I have to mention this — you know this world is such a small one. I have to make clear I do not mind having people commenting bluntly or truthfully — as long as they do not SLANDER anyone.
do it for you,
What were you trying to do?
Stirring up or what?
I am not afraid of expressing my thoughts. I just want to respect everyone (except evil ones, okay), even to those who dislike me. I do not feel comfortable pointing at or accusing. Let it go.
Back to you, readers,
If I knew for sure it was wrong, I would be more aggressive ( let’s say aloof) and put it on the table, rather then sweeping it under the rug.
Oh! Time is up! I need to go help with kids and dindin. Pardon my typos.
One more thing . . . BAD, you are right I never stated it. Who? Where? It’s over there — a rock thrown over the fence from the backyard of DeafRead. No further.
Me back to work ( yes, running a large family is a big job) …. more later.
ONE more thing … Last thing … thanks for all the compliments — me digging into ground and you digging my design.
Darn it … one more thing… fyi, I am still working on the design… you will see some strange behaviors on my v/blog site) That’s one of disadvantages using Wordpress — a real time editing. Bear with me. I will do some tweakings from time to time to its perfect. Please disregard errors found. It is only one day redesigning the whole site! So . . . gimme a couple of days! Thanks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 am
Very nice, refreshing banner on your blogsite… hate to say that, but I cannot read the very dark text on the background. Maybe try yellow or white text?? Still enjoy watching your vlogs.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 am
One more thing. The blue list below is worst. Blue text on black. I like your old format - the list on the right column. Thanks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:29 am
Aw shucks! You’re THE darling as well!
Cheers,
R-
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:01 am
I’d say Moxie Mocha and I Am Mine have said it all already, too
I enjoyed Lois’ vlog. I didn’t quite understand everything but yes, kinda went *whoo* at some of the opinions. But still it’s a perspective I’m not familiar with but have heard about, so here I get to see it for myself, and get some idea of where they are coming from (whether or not I agree with them). In some ways, she’s an eyewitness to history — and I always have the utmost respect for that.
But most of the time I was just enjoying her signing and her expressiveness :*)
And honestly, one can disagree with her without having to fatuously compare her to truly heinous people. Come on, keep a sense of proportion, people.
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:44 am
Teri,
I love your new vlog design… and it is very creative… I like your title on the top, “Minuit Teri: a Late Night Vlogger.” Hope you stay with it and stick with it!! wink
Looking forward to your next vlog Zen Story in ASL or something???
July 2nd, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Teri,
I like your latest new banner is really awesome!! That’s suit you perfect! Please forgive me, what is minuit?
I can understand that you’re busy lady being a mother and wife to your family.
Congrats on your daughter’s graduation! My oldest daughter was graduated last year.
Enjoy your nite vlogging.
July 2nd, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Teri, I tried opening up the video of the lady signing about disrespect amoung elders, but had trouble doing so. Wondering if you might briefly re-cap what she was saying? That is, if it isn’t too much trouble?
Thank you.