Funny - I asked an ASL linguist the same question last week at a gathering. Basically what he told me was it's just a personal preference and that it's usually connected to the flow of signing just exact like your example of THIS MAN (above) and THIS MAN (below).
Nevertheless, a good vlog and I'm curious what answers others may have!
I thought about that for months and I've meant to bring it up, but never did, until you brought this up. I do that myself often, go either ways. I think it is *convenient* for me to start with the mouth then the ear. It's more like taking shortcuts rather than signing properly. Often I do signs in partial forms too, save my time. I'm curious the answer to this issue, too. Thanks.
Yea - thats discourse!! I always wanted to know why there are two signs for Deaf (Deaf-Mute and Mute-Deaf). I'm sure like many others, I got into discussion several times but am still clueless. Hope some ASL linguists will come forward and share their thoughts.
(For Roger: Is it like "method-way" or "way-method" - LOL)
It was years ago at the club. I was a new member and many did not know me yet. One old-timer asked another: "is she Deaf or HH?"
The second old-timer knew me as he was a retired teacher at the school where I attended. "Oh," he said in a what-are-you-thinking-you-moron attitude, "she's DEAF!" using the mouth-to-ear sign emphatically.
I was struck by the profoundly ASL nature of the sign. Decisive. Clear. No doubt about it. Finito. A sign seen in the clubroom and not in school. How had it come about? Perhaps the French reverse grammar influence? Who knows?
The same can be asked which to sign first:: father mother or mother father, brother sister, sister brother, uncle aunt, aunt uncle and the like. A linguist told me that it is quite flexible and interchangeable and determined by where your hand is. Ex.: The computer was given to me "mother and father." Next Sunday, father and mother are coming to see me. Exactly opposite to hearing people who almost always put male first and female second.
hahahahaha..... yeah a very important isse to resolve before we can focus on global warming and Iraq! yeah, I believe the difference is an example of a natural amazing phonological change proving once again ASL is a natural, valid and amazing language!
I chatted with an ASL Linguist, he said it is a common misconception with the deaf-mute mute-deaf sign based on the previous word. He claims that it is based on whether the word is used as a noun, verb, adjective, etc. Since this contradicts other comments from linguists, maybe this is something we should look into further!
As for me, I use deaf-mute because I think I did that due to the fact that I can't hear but I can lip-read/move my mouth rather clearly when I talk... does that make snese to you? I am not HH or oral... I come from deaf family and attended deaf school, gally and worked at deaf school also. I know I don't sign with mouth close like some deafies do. Share your thoughts. Cheers to you! -Peggy Ann
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Funny - I asked an ASL linguist the same question last week at a gathering. Basically what he told me was it's just a personal preference and that it's usually connected to the flow of signing just exact like your example of THIS MAN (above) and THIS MAN (below).
Nevertheless, a good vlog and I'm curious what answers others may have!
Is it "global warming" or a "warming globe"?
I thought about that for months and I've meant to bring it up, but never did, until you brought this up. I do that myself often, go either ways. I think it is *convenient* for me to start with the mouth then the ear. It's more like taking shortcuts rather than signing properly. Often I do signs in partial forms too, save my time. I'm curious the answer to this issue, too. Thanks.
Yea - thats discourse!! I always wanted to know why there are two signs for Deaf (Deaf-Mute and Mute-Deaf). I'm sure like many others, I got into discussion several times but am still clueless. Hope some ASL linguists will come forward and share their thoughts.
(For Roger: Is it like "method-way" or "way-method" - LOL)
It was years ago at the club. I was a new member and many did not know me yet. One old-timer asked another: "is she Deaf or HH?"
The second old-timer knew me as he was a retired teacher at the school where I attended. "Oh," he said in a what-are-you-thinking-you-moron attitude, "she's DEAF!" using the mouth-to-ear sign emphatically.
I was struck by the profoundly ASL nature of the sign. Decisive. Clear. No doubt about it. Finito. A sign seen in the clubroom and not in school. How had it come about? Perhaps the French reverse grammar influence? Who knows?
The same can be asked which to sign first:: father mother or
mother father, brother sister,
sister brother, uncle aunt, aunt uncle and the like. A linguist told me that it is quite flexible and interchangeable and determined by where your hand is. Ex.: The computer was given to me "mother and father." Next Sunday, father and mother are coming to see me.
Exactly opposite to hearing people who almost always put male first and female second.
Jean Boutcher
Yes, this is like a panadrome. PARENTS starting with FATHER and then MOTHER or MOTHER and then FATHER.
Try to sign this statement first from left to right and then right to left:
OPEN COOKING SCHOOL COOKBOOK
hahahahaha.....
yeah a very important isse to resolve before we can focus on global warming and Iraq! yeah, I believe the difference is an example of a natural amazing phonological change proving once again ASL is a natural, valid and amazing language!
I chatted with an ASL Linguist, he said it is a common misconception with the deaf-mute mute-deaf sign based on the previous word. He claims that it is based on whether the word is used as a noun, verb, adjective, etc. Since this contradicts other comments from linguists, maybe this is something we should look into further!
ROFL to Carl's comment. Very poignant! Ant btw welcome to you, Deaf Kitchen. I like your vlogs so far :).
As for me, I use deaf-mute because I think I did that due to the fact that I can't hear but I can lip-read/move my mouth rather clearly when I talk... does that make snese to you? I am not HH or oral... I come from deaf family and attended deaf school, gally and worked at deaf school also. I know I don't sign with mouth close like some deafies do. Share your thoughts. Cheers to you!
-Peggy Ann
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